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Post by Head Righter on Apr 9, 2024 3:33:32 GMT 10
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Post by Annie as Mrs. Wimblegate on Apr 9, 2024 16:52:47 GMT 10
I was gonna say no lengthy answers but do what you want.
Also this will be stream of consciousness because I'm mainly skimming over the speeches I shouldn't even be here reading these at the moment. I will be back later for a more thorough read.
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Post by Robert as Irrelevant Trumpeter on Apr 9, 2024 16:55:44 GMT 10
[Ok]
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Post by Annie as Mrs. Wimblegate on Apr 9, 2024 17:00:05 GMT 10
David, you haggard. Why didn't you get good vibes from me? I honestly felt somewhat betrayed when I found out you were actually flirting with other cast members, because when we first talked I actually offered you my Spotted Dick and you didn't seem interested at all? I think you were just intimidated by my voluptuous figure.
But no, David, I think you're actually right. I may have trouble understanding your humour because that zombified babe you sent me as Wise Man was one of the most horrifying sights I've ever witnessed.
I actually have a question for you. You say you've been immune many times. Does that track record affect any of the decisions you made in the game? I'm curious because it did for me. I had been immune for like three formats in a row or something and I decided I was SICK OF IT. In fact, I just think it CAN BE (not that it is) a bad look to have in your resumé at FTC. Because if you're immune and you don't need it, that removes you from the decision making of the round. So when we had the Peter Pan format, I told myself that no way in hell I'd attempt immune and was always competing for Exemption. Even though I knew that I was likely in contention to be voted out that round, and I was. So I willingly put myself in danger for something that I believed would benefit me long term. I reiterate that I'm not saying you should've done something like this at all, esp since some of those wins were luck, but since I had that experience I want to hear if you felt something similar.
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Post by Annie as Mrs. Wimblegate on Apr 9, 2024 17:27:41 GMT 10
Just had a thought reading Trumpeter's speech.
David, you said you signed up to have fun.
There were instances, however, where you were extremely focused, breaching on paranoid, on staying alive. I can cite the first vote at Team Suchet. Initially that vote was unanimous on the butler Smythe. Then, a 5-2. Scrooge's idea to split the vote. The majority alliance didn't see much value in Plate as I did and were willing to put a vote on him for safety, okay. But most notably, soon it changed to a 4-3 vote. Your idea, conceived in the last 33 minutes before the vote deadline. I was shocked when I woke up to that because it seemed extremely unlikely that Platey and Smythe would play items for each other and vote together. Smythe had told some of us that his idol could not be played on himself, and that was believable to me. Your POV could've been different, yes. Technically, that was the "correct" play, as it ensured there were NO scenarios left in which a member of the majority alliances leaves, but I found a scenario where that happened very improbable, so to me all you were doing is changing the likelihood of someone from our alliance leaving from a 0,00006% to a 0%. And I found that to be kinda brash? Not sure if that's the right word. Because we were all set up and suddenly it's changed and you and Joe make a move on your own. And we also have the aftermath of the Blue Planet game. And the vote where Joe was voted off!
Taking these moments into account, it strikes me as someone competitive, and survival oriented. And you can absolutely have fun that way, I'm not denying your experience. It just feels "tense" to me, and when I envision someone having fun, I think "light" and "free." I already said I don't want to deny your experience, so I'm interested in hearing an answer from you to this question: How does someone NOT having fun usually plays like?
That is, if you can understand this lol. I feel like what I'm typing is barely coherent.
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Post by Sir David Suchet as Narrator on Apr 9, 2024 18:07:39 GMT 10
David, you haggard. Why didn't you get good vibes from me? I honestly felt somewhat betrayed when I found out you were actually flirting with other cast members, because when we first talked I actually offered you my Spotted Dick and you didn't seem interested at all? I think you were just intimidated by my voluptuous figure. But no, David, I think you're actually right. I may have trouble understanding your humour because that zombified babe you sent me as Wise Man was one of the most horrifying sights I've ever witnessed. I actually have a question for you. You say you've been immune many times. Does that track record affect any of the decisions you made in the game? I'm curious because it did for me. I had been immune for like three formats in a row or something and I decided I was SICK OF IT. In fact, I just think it CAN BE (not that it is) a bad look to have in your resumé at FTC. Because if you're immune and you don't need it, that removes you from the decision making of the round. So when we had the Peter Pan format, I told myself that no way in hell I'd attempt immune and was always competing for Exemption. Even though I knew that I was likely in contention to be voted out that round, and I was. So I willingly put myself in danger for something that I believed would benefit me long term. I reiterate that I'm not saying you should've done something like this at all, esp since some of those wins were luck, but since I had that experience I want to hear if you felt something similar. This is a very good point regarding the 'spotted dick' and I will get into this a little more with the next post on your question regarding the first round. I didn't sign up with the intent of playing Suchet as a dirty old man, that sort of developed naturally in my conversations with Skye (and I am sure as someone who was close to her as well you could see how that could naturally develop). I then decided to kick that into overdrive as way to have fun with the lounge invites round and it went to another level once I found out Skye wasn't in my room (even though I had invited her) but I had another room with her and the Queen (and then the Queen started playing into the 'limpy' of it all) and then it launched into the stratosphere when I spent the weekend with the two of them in a morgue. So you are fair to say, that Suchet should have responded with considerable more vigour and excitement to your spotted dick entendre, except at the time, I wasn't thinking of playing the character that way, so I likely overlooked the lay-up. I do apologise for this and I expect that had we ever been able to PM again later in the game, I would have actually started using this set up. The zombified baby was somewhat of an extreme I will admit, but I was going to the next level in that round as I was quite annoyed at myself for fucking up the challenge and wanted to very much to be back in the game. On immunties, I take your point, but I don't think being immune took me out of the vote on most occasions. Sure, in Peter Pan, removed me from the vote but I asked for that partly because I felt shitty about voting for Joe (at that stage) simply because he'd been away all weekend (and noting we were supposed to be able to take weekends off in this game but that appeared to go WRONG very early) and that he'd been a good ally. As I have said, I did fear him grouping up with the Roberts (and I think that fear has been clealy justified by things Robert has said as well as what Joe told me at the Edge of Redemption but I still felt shitty about it at the time because he hadn't actually done anything to betray me (even if was planning on doing so sooner or later)). So it was the right move, and I would have voted for him with the rest of the group had I not been removed, but somebody had to be exempted so it might as well have been me for that reason and that was a story we could sell to everyone that made sense and made people comfortable. Being immune didn't influence the vote there one way or the another, and it wasn't going to. On some of the other rounds though, I felt being immune gave me the necessary confidence to push the outcomes I desired. There are a few examples of this running into the endgame. But the best example was your boot so I might just go into that one in detail noting you said you didn't want a long post and this is already long and I have to respond to your other quesiton (so please let me know if you would like more examples). In that round I was immune and had almost all the information needed to enable both Diana and Scrooge were safe, and that was my goal that round (as it often was) to keep myself safe first and then my best allies safe next. As Diana mentioned in her open, she, Scrooge and Chris the Narrator were in a room and she and Scrooge were trying to get the Narrator to admit he was Richard, but she eventually confirmed it was Camille. The three of them then decided to fill up the choice room I was in as Suchet so we could completely game the round. There was this funny moment, where I woke up and read this thread and saw Scrooge calling me out as the Wise Man and I wasn't sure what was going on in the thread so I quickly posted that I was not the Wise Man and I could never be such as full sexting in ORGs gives me the ick. Diana commented on this in Fire-making (not sure if you could see that in the Critic's Corner) but it was one of my finer moments and an excellent lie to protect my ID. Diana then responded in an exasperated manner that if I wasn't the Wise Man then she didn't know who half the cast were which was concerning given she and Scrooge were in danger. I then upon realising the circumstances and after confirming who was in the room revealed that I was the Wise Man, I was immune, that I was the returning critic and that Margaret had been eliminated. That package of information removed so many variables in working through a plan to save both Scrooge and Diana, in that if I wasn't immune we'd need to know two peoples IDs; if I wasn't the returning critic then potentially Margaret was still in the game and/or we'd have to consider Croc, DH, Joe or even Shawcroft as potential IDs. We then formulated a plan to get Robert to reveal his ID, so I jumped into a room with him and Diana and Scrooge and Camille which we had where I revealed that I was the Wise Man and encouraged Robert and Camile (who was part of plan of course) to do the same to save our friends. Now again, I made a whole song and dance about this in the thread about putting my arse on the line to try and get Robert to do the same, but really I was immune so I had no risk and could push towards my objective of saving Scrooge and Diana.
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Post by Annie as Mrs. Wimblegate on Apr 9, 2024 18:16:16 GMT 10
Oh Trumpeter. We've talked about this during Nativity meets Claim to Fame, but although I was ALWAYS working with you during Peter Pan because I wanted to establish my relationship with Shawcroft, I thought you seemed rather closed off and faceless. I have to say that in my view you've had a massive glow up during Nativity and There Is No Escape. I'm actually shocked you didn't mention this, were you not trying to make a Sandra as Margaret impression when you were playing Mary? Because I thought you were and it was SPOT ON. Impressive. And for There Is No Escape, I still need to read that format thoroughly, I don't know much about that round and your performance, but what I do know, I like. Because it seems like you bossed that round.
I have mainly one question I guess. You've said you didn't consider Jury Threat when it came to your F4 decision. I actually don't understand your explanation about that, because what matters if Scrooge was being saved by Suchet? You won the challenge and you had the sole choice. It might be just me not understanding that format.
But I digress, I want to talk about the jury threat aspect. Would you say that was something you didn't consider throughout the whole game or just that round?
You said you were loyal to your alliance to Scrooge and Diana. So, do you think that F3 scenario would've been the most favourable for you, from, say, F8 and on?
I find it interesting that you're here, campaigning for the win and that it could be said you didn't take the necessary steps that would make you more likely of winning because you didn't think about jury threat level. It's not hypocritical or anything, just the nature of the game.
You're sitting against formidable players. I don't want to discredit Sir Suchet but I'll talk about Diana because it's easier to get my point across. It's not even widely recognised in the jury, but in the entire GAME that Diana was a power player. From my first moments with her I could tell that. You could see how persuasive she was in that room with Richard and Trevor! That's a crazy good asset to have in a player, if she did a great job in persuading Richard, then she'll do a great job in winning over the Jury with her speech too. She's also gotten what she wanted I think every single time? When you willingly bring a player like this to the F3 with you, it could be said that you're decreasing your chances of winning.
That doesn't really lead into any point lol I guess I'm just curious to hear you talk about the balance between making choices that you respect, or that you're proud of, against making choices that will increase your chances of winning.
Another question, or wish. Could you talk a little bit about your feelings after the 90 Degrees round? You said you were confident you'd survive if you were placed on the top half of the chain. However, you were picked second to last. Did that make you questions your alliances or something?
I guess I still have some feelings left for A Christmas Carol Gone Wrong too. I fully thought I was leaving if Diana/Herod got picked to be the Guesser, and I thought I was doing enough pleading honestly, but the thing that stopped me from pleading even more is that Scrooge/Donkey didn't say he was uncomfortable in being the Guesser because he didn't want to eliminate someone, it was because he was unsure in his own capability of guessing. I didn't think I could change that, I had already said everything I had to say, that I was certain Diana > Herod, and that if he didn't want to eliminate Diana, I was open to exploring other options to save myself. In your speech you say that Diana > Herod was the first match you were certain about. But instead of supporting me in my case, you echoed Scrooge's feelings about not knowing who was Diana and who was David. So maybe you really just didn't care for my safety there.
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Post by Sir David Suchet as Narrator on Apr 9, 2024 18:33:21 GMT 10
Just had a thought reading Trumpeter's speech. David, you said you signed up to have fun. There were instances, however, where you were extremely focused, breaching on paranoid, on staying alive. I can cite the first vote at Team Suchet. Initially that vote was unanimous on the butler Smythe. Then, a 5-2. Scrooge's idea to split the vote. The majority alliance didn't see much value in Plate as I did and were willing to put a vote on him for safety, okay. But most notably, soon it changed to a 4-3 vote. Your idea, conceived in the last 33 minutes before the vote deadline. I was shocked when I woke up to that because it seemed extremely unlikely that Platey and Smythe would play items for each other and vote together. Smythe had told some of us that his idol could not be played on himself, and that was believable to me. Your POV could've been different, yes. Technically, that was the "correct" play, as it ensured there were NO scenarios left in which a member of the majority alliances leaves, but I found a scenario where that happened very improbable, so to me all you were doing is changing the likelihood of someone from our alliance leaving from a 0,00006% to a 0%. And I found that to be kinda brash? Not sure if that's the right word. Because we were all set up and suddenly it's changed and you and Joe make a move on your own. And we also have the aftermath of the Blue Planet game. And the vote where Joe was voted off! Taking these moments into account, it strikes me as someone competitive, and survival oriented. And you can absolutely have fun that way, I'm not denying your experience. It just feels "tense" to me, and when I envision someone having fun, I think "light" and "free." I already said I don't want to deny your experience, so I'm interested in hearing an answer from you to this question: How does someone NOT having fun usually plays like? That is, if you can understand this lol. I feel like what I'm typing is barely coherent. This is as equally fair as the 'Spotted Dick' question about my initial round approach. I absolutely came to have fun and to try and be 'light and free' as you put it. But as I also noted in my opener, it was not something I had sought to do before so it took some time to adjust my approach. You are absolutely right that I got a bit paranoid in that first vote. I just felt like something was a bit off and Scrooge didn't feel 100% either so I got a little jumpy. There was actually a specific moment in that vote where I fell in love with Scrooge. He was concerned that if something was afoot it might be he that was going because he had not yet managed to form much of a bond with you and you certainly were in a position of influence on the tribe. I said that I could play my safety without power on him and he said not to. He said, if he was going then so be it. There was a real calmness to this when he said it and it hit me right between the eyes. I was like 'Suchet, what the fuck are you doing? You came here to have fun and now your over-scheming and a paranoid mess. Take a page out of this Scrooge guy's chill book and relax the fuck out'. Which I did. Now you noted that I then seemed to over strategise the vote and I did give than explanation in our alliance thread but really I just didn't fucking want to vote for Smythe. I liked Smythe. He had a good vibe and I got on well with him. I really wanted Plate to go there but you were firm on it and I didn't feel I could or should push you on it. Now this wasn't any sort of pandering or hope for an ally if he returned because, obviously, none of us knew there would be returnees then, but I just liked the guy and didn't want to write his name. Now should I have perhaps said that instead of all the 0.0001% minimisation strategy? Probably. But I was still feeling my way through how I was going to play the game with a fun focus. As for the Fish Game, I understand from what Plate told me that you'd have the best understanding of everyone here as to what his plans were as to dragging in that he wasn't actually going to drag me. And as I have said in my open and in response to Deer Head's question, I was originally actually paranoid but after the initial part, the paranoia was a ruse to go along with Plate's plan. However, I cannot deny that the initial part was pure paranoia. And by that point, even though the focus was 'fun' I'd invested a number of weeks and the sunk cost falacy got to me. But most of all, I didn't want to get booted then (or ever) as I was enjoying the format and the game too much. Each new round was a fantastic test and I really wanted to experience them all. I am not sure what you mean by the Joe vote off round though, as that was not one I had to worry at all? Traditionally, I have been the kind of player who signs up to ORGs to try to win, but I also had fun while playing them. This time, I signed up to have fun, but equally that didn't mean I wasn't also going to try to win. There was just a slightly shifted focus. Did I revert into my natural state from time to time? Yes, and you have certainly pointed out some correct examples of where that occurred. I am not a perfect player by any means, but even when I am here for fun, I am going to invest so much of my time and energy in the ORG, that I cannot ever go out without a fight. I'll never be an easy brezzy lemon squeezy player who just chills their way out the door. But I feel that over the course of this ORG I tried and learned how to just embrace the fun of it all. And even if there were times perhaps where I seemed like I wasn't having any, I can assure you that I had the best time. Every minute of it. Well maybe not the period from 1 am to 5 am on the battleback. That was not fun, thank you Joe. : )
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Post by Annie as Mrs. Wimblegate on Apr 9, 2024 19:14:40 GMT 10
Hello Diana. I know we haven't had much interaction over the course of the game but you were involved in one of my favourite moments. During The Lodge, you said in our room with Trevor and myself, or maybe it was another room, that you were voting for Team Harris to win immunity. And my initial reaction was: WHAT THE HELL NO YOU'RE NOT YOU FUCKING CRAZY BITCH WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING. TEAM HARRIS HAS LUCY AS BOY TOOTLES HE NEEDS TO LEAVE!!! Of course I didn't say that but I put my blood, sweat and tears into a nice plea that conveyed the same meaning. ![:)](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) I was reaching so hard, saying that Team Suchet was the only team that had a hard vote and deserved immunity. I was ridiculous and I relish in that. Everything for Platey to stay and I would've done it all again!! Max as Plate I am so excited for the moment I get to have you in my kitchen again after this game wraps. This was more about me than it was about you Diana but I just wanted to say that. I have one question though did you in fact vote for Team Harris when they were so lacklustre or did you switch? Thank you for saying that you always wanted me out during Christmas Carol. In my heart I knew it all along. I don't think you were good at concealing that, or concealing your Nativity rep, but that's beside the point... It's on me for not being persuasive enough to Scrooge. I don't think I have any "real" questions for you. There is the cliché "how did you survive for so long despite being a threat" but I think that's already answered in your speech. I love your adoration for Amanda Bynes' She's the Man, and for talking about acting overall since I was also doing that. Oh for the sake of randomness I might as well add that I wanted you out for a long time? There was a period that I was like "uhh maybe we could do some damage together" but we were just never swapped into the same tribe. That started, again, during The Lodge. We shared so many spaces and I don't think you ever acknowledged me in any of the multiple essays you sent lol, until I spoke directly to you in the room with Trevor. I also didn't like that you gave information about Trevor's room to every room when that could've been a hidden alliance, I don't know. I knew about your alignment with Isobel (she was... quite transparent about it in her own room), and suspected an alignment with Margaret. I wanted to break that because I felt that was dangerous to my game, we were so far apart. I actually wanted Margaret out during the Prosecution/Defence format for that reason but that was not possible at all because the Crocodile was right there and would stop it from happening. The above has nothing to do with my vote though just fun facts.
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Post by Annie as Mrs. Wimblegate on Apr 9, 2024 19:15:23 GMT 10
Thank you so much David. I have to leave now but I'll be back with more thoughts if I have them.
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Post by Robert as Irrelevant Trumpeter on Apr 9, 2024 19:18:15 GMT 10
Ahaha, thats a lot of comments. I'll cover each individually. I was actually trying to copy bits of everyone, but yes, my shorter, quicker messages was definitely something I was emulating from Margaret. Since many people seem to be asking this question (including Scrooge as he left), I'll try and be a bit clearer. When it came down to specifically choosing who to save in the Final 2, I chose based on who I liked better, and who I would feel better about winning the game. I cast my vote like I was casting a Jury vote, and my preference was, of the three of them, for Diana to have a chance to win the game. This isn't based on a lack of desire to win, or anything resembling that. That is my desire for this game to have a valid winner. I will always make that choice in the finale of any game, and that is my personal way I play. Would I get a better chance if I targeted someone else? Maybe, maybe not. I felt Diana deserved to be in the final 3 an equal amount to Scrooge. And since Scrooge would've been brought in by Suchet, I decided to bring in Diana. If I had liked one more than the other, I would've chosen that way, in the end Suchet's decision was mainly the tiebreaker for me. I still have no idea who I would've voted for if I was on the Jury choosing between the two of them. I did consider Jury threat. When I say that it made no decision on F4, I can't promise it didn't since I had considered it before, but I wouldn't have wanted it to. In fact I had looked at Jury threat at multiple points in the game before. This was mainly in Round 5 when I was determining that going to the end with Camille was a valid option for me. However, between Diana and Scrooge, I do think Scrooge was more of a threat to specifically me. I don't know who would win out of the two of them, but for the votes I was more likely to get, based on the people I worked with, Scrooge contested a lot more of them than Diana did. I do believe if I had voted based on Jury threat, I would've made the same decision. Because Scrooge would've beaten Diana in the firemaking contest if I had saved Suchet. I want to clarify, I was never in an alliance with Scrooge and Diana, unless you count Herod's Harem. Each of them, individually, was the ally I had worked with the most throughout the game, but it wasn't an alliance like they had with Suchet. Each round I endeavored to keep them around, but my fate was not tied with them surviving. Hence why I was willing to cut any of them loose. Many times I worked against Diana and Scrooge, but to include them as members of the same alliance is a bit innacurate. At many times I saw them as opposite pathways I could go down, though I only ended up choosing at F4. So no, I did not consider that the most optimal or even necessary F3 round back. I'll reference my answer to Richard's question as a good way to view my approach to the game in terms of long term plans. Or lack thereof. Ahaha, that is a good question. Everyone definitely sits differently on this scale. Normally I am far towards the making choices I am proud of side of things. Throughout this game I have definitely attempted to play a bit more brutal to increase my chances. However it is difficult to change your nature ![:P](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) . I will say, I don't think taking Diana instead of Scrooge harmed my chances all that much. There is my reasoning to why I think Scrooge contested my allies more, but more than that, there is this one main point which is why I think Diana's game was not as strong as all that: Diana was very lucky to get to the end.This is even including all the social capital she used to get herself out of tight ends (which is impressive, I'll be the first to admit). But even Suchet has mentioned how Diana was a shield. Do you think she was any different to me? There was many rounds, where if immunities or decisions had turned out differently, Diana would've been gone from the game. Some examples are: Round 6 - If Diana was vulnerable, she could have quite easily been the target by Plate, given how big a threat she was. Round 11 - If you or perhaps even Camille had the power to choose who was eliminated, Diana was one of the first to go. Round 14 - If Suchet or Scrooge had won immunity Diana would've fought me in firemaking and likely lost. Now a lot of this is what-ifs, but threat management is an important part of this game. I would say that I managed my threat level well. Suchet also managed his threat level. Diana did not. She did reach the end, which is a great achievement by her. But I do think that just because she didn't manage her threat level means that she will sweep this Jury. Anyway, I've started talk which is technically belittling other Finalist's achievements so I'll stop, but I did want to make an argument for why I believed Diana's position to not be so strong that taking her wasn't a perfectly valid option. Actually 7th was a position I was perfectly happy with. With 6 people going before me, I was confident someone else would fail. The only positions I was less keen on was position 5 and 6, and I took the opportunity to make a list to where I wanted to go, and everyone followed that, which to me told me that people were liking me. In fact with specifically Scrooge choosing Richard, I do think that may not have so much as a blessing, rather than a curse. Just because I was confident in doing the challenge, doesn't mean others are and Suchet failed the first difficulty while I only barely failed the 7th. Harsh, but somewhat accurate. As you made your first pleading case, I started writing up a long paragraph, IDing myself, Diana and Scrooge. However before posting that, I saw that Donkey had responded and not ID'd himself as Scrooge. And stating why he didn't want to target Herod/Diana. I knew from the room I shared with the two of them, that they had already publicly agreed not to vote for each other after revealing to each other. So I knew what Scrooge said was a lie and that stopped me in my course. If I had posted the message I did, it would be exactly the same situation, except Scrooge's trust I was throwing under the bus. The fact that Scrooge later did ID reveal doesn't change the fact I was now worried that he didn't want to work with you and I didn't feel like there was anything I could do in that situation when he was there with us. I had trusted Diana when she said that she was going to target Richard, and your vote still came as a blindside to me. But, if you want it put harshly, yes I valued connections with Diana and Scrooge more than you. All of my relationship with you was from 1 round, and that was with Scrooge. If you were around the next round, we could have definitely grown past that, but as of yet you just had the one round with me. And I wasn't willing to risk the connections I had with Scrooge and Diana individually when Scrooge had made it obvious he wasn't wanting to make the vote. Regardless of how easily he could've made it. I expect this was somewhat of a Jury management strategy, but I am only guessing there.
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Post by Aunt Diana Rigg as Narrator on Apr 10, 2024 16:17:19 GMT 10
Hello Diana. I know we haven't had much interaction over the course of the game but you were involved in one of my favourite moments. During The Lodge, you said in our room with Trevor and myself, or maybe it was another room, that you were voting for Team Harris to win immunity. And my initial reaction was: WHAT THE HELL NO YOU'RE NOT YOU FUCKING CRAZY BITCH WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING. TEAM HARRIS HAS LUCY AS BOY TOOTLES HE NEEDS TO LEAVE!!! Of course I didn't say that but I put my blood, sweat and tears into a nice plea that conveyed the same meaning. ![:)](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) I was reaching so hard, saying that Team Suchet was the only team that had a hard vote and deserved immunity. I was ridiculous and I relish in that. Everything for Platey to stay and I would've done it all again!! Max as Plate I am so excited for the moment I get to have you in my kitchen again after this game wraps. This was more about me than it was about you Diana but I just wanted to say that. I have one question though did you in fact vote for Team Harris when they were so lacklustre or did you switch? Thank you for saying that you always wanted me out during Christmas Carol. In my heart I knew it all along. I don't think you were good at concealing that, or concealing your Nativity rep, but that's beside the point... It's on me for not being persuasive enough to Scrooge. I don't think I have any "real" questions for you. There is the cliché "how did you survive for so long despite being a threat" but I think that's already answered in your speech. I love your adoration for Amanda Bynes' She's the Man, and for talking about acting overall since I was also doing that. Oh for the sake of randomness I might as well add that I wanted you out for a long time? There was a period that I was like "uhh maybe we could do some damage together" but we were just never swapped into the same tribe. That started, again, during The Lodge. We shared so many spaces and I don't think you ever acknowledged me in any of the multiple essays you sent lol, until I spoke directly to you in the room with Trevor. I also didn't like that you gave information about Trevor's room to every room when that could've been a hidden alliance, I don't know. I knew about your alignment with Isobel (she was... quite transparent about it in her own room), and suspected an alignment with Margaret. I wanted to break that because I felt that was dangerous to my game, we were so far apart. I actually wanted Margaret out during the Prosecution/Defence format for that reason but that was not possible at all because the Crocodile was right there and would stop it from happening. The above has nothing to do with my vote though just fun facts. First of all, thank you, Annie for the fun facts and sharing your favourite game moment with me, I remember that round very well too. For the sake of my point of view and side of it all, I shall explain myself and my actions. In the Lodge I was in as some would say a shit ton of rooms, dear. I'll just go over the list as I can recall.. Your room. Mick the Muscle's room. Sir David's room. Max the Plate's room. Skye's room. Trevor's room And of course my own room. Now, Skye and David's rooms both contained Camille and Isobel. And Camille was in your room with Trevor. I can't remember the third in Max's room, was that also you? Not sure. I believe your room also contained one or both of the Team Harris ladies, if I'm not mistaken? (I could be wrong and in which case forgive me.) and then my own room was Skye, Scrooge and Isobel. Which I created so Skye could speak to Scrooge and I wanted to connect with him too, because well he's from my episode and I was enjoying his board posts and wanted to be with one of the pretty Chris' Now as you may recall in your room Trevor was "going at it" with Camille a bit and being quite aggressive to her, while she was keeping calm and rational and explaining the situation of his ousting. Meanwhile in the other rooms I shared with those girls, their story was unlike Trevor's. In his version, he felt that Lucy and Mick were worthless mutes, and that he'd put in more effort socially with the others, and those two didn't bother to message him and so he deemed them inactive, and he claimed freely that Richard was with him and was also blindsided. But the girls explained that Trevor was a bit "off" and that Mick had schedule issues, but did put in the effort as did Lucy prior to the Lodge where she was actually absent. In their defense of their actions, they were very worried about Trevor having returned and for lack of a better term being a disgruntled little shit. Since he was rather ornery with Camille and made some offhand comment about how she'd been pinning his vote on the Queen or blaming her, when she said no such thing. He was combative and quite frankly, dear, it made your room as the kids these days would say awkward as fuck. I didn't want to engage in there, because of that and you and I shared other spaces. Mick's room was a vast array of people I could speak to elsewhere but I did my best to put in with her. I did however, say I'd heard Team Harris wished for immunity because the girls were a bit worried about their situation, and so I agreed to vote that so did David and some others in rooms we shared with those two. Now, I'd also heard that David was setting up or had set the scene for Joe to steal Plate's item, so like I knew he'd want him out and that your team had an out. I did not know you were besties with Plate, all I'd been told about you at one point was from both David and/or Scrooge to relay to you that the vote was Plate, because you were rumored to be paranoid, so I let you know what I heard. Also, Plate and I were very blunt with one another that our own names had been mentioned, so it's not like I hid that from him. By the next day when the voting and ghost hunting thing was due, it was clear to most everyone that Richard was absent in rooms as was Lucy, and that Team Harris would be taking out the Robert's niece. Now then, when you did tell me why the fuck are you voting them? At the time, I wanted to appease the people I'd been talking to for the better part of the round. However, before that I *DID* work along side you in Trevor's room to placate him, try and give him friendly advice and let him know that Team Harris wasn't against him, and that the vote wasn't personal. And that he should reconsider his vitriol for the Queen and the French beauty and to reconsider his emotional (and valid in some respect) responses and feelings for them. You and I explained to him, it was better to forgive and move on over enacting a vengeance tour. Now, why did I reveal this? Well, dear, because I wanted Isobel and Camille to know that YOU and I had been working to help their case with Trevor, I never said "He asked us for a deal for the rest of the game etc." none of those things he mentioned, I just let them know that there was nothing to fear and that Trevor was manageable and even then, if he kept his ire he'd probably be cut for being so bullheaded, when he was literally "out" of the game for less than 12 hours. So I was simply giving those ladies some assurance not to be afraid, and that WE, YOU AND I, had spoken up for them. That was why I did that, nothing more or devious or squealing on private alliance talk. After the fact, sure. During it? No fucking way. Having said all of that, while Shawcroft and I were in a head to head battle at being targets for Team Rigg in those final hours, he himself tagged all of us once our TC opened and told us NOT to vote for Team Harris, that perhaps if we put votes on Suchet we could be immune and not have to deal with the chaos and bullshite we were going through. We all agreed, and I did that. I voted for Skye to get the extra votes from Suchet and for Isobel from Harris and I saved team Suchet. But it wasn't enough to help us, maybe if we struck a better deal with Suchet when the me vs. the judge stuff was happening, they would have helped us, since most wanted to see me safe and Shawcroft was going to be robbed there too, but yeah. That's what happened in the end. As for not showing you any attention in rooms, I dropped some general stuff in some rooms because there was massive overlapping, I didn't ignore you, dear. I just didn't have a lot to add in those spaces since everything was pretty much in the open. My true work with you was in Trevor's room, and I did not ignore you there, I thought we complimented one another well in that space. But if not, and I did make you feel neglected, then I'm not trying to invalidated your feelings, Annie. I can't recall every single thing, so if I did make you feel like I didn't give you the attention you deserved, I apologise. It's not an excuse per se, but I was in the middle of a lot of shite trying to coordinate my own vote and save myself at the time too, so. Also, my apologies if any of this sounds harsh or something. I'm just trying to explain my situation. That round was a LOT for me. I was very much in a shitty situation, trying to micromanage a vote, get Margaret to confirm a target, having David and Scrooge relay to me what was happening with the Roberts. Having to figure out how to vote, how much danger I was in etc. It was just a very chaotic time. I am sure you know or heard, even in those final moments. Shawcroft actually just decided to throw in the towel, due to Scrooge talking Robert out of killing me and not starting a war there between us (Which I am grateful for, because I loved Robert) and then in our TC with minutes before the deadline I played my SWP on Robert to take him out and kill off any votes he could cast, it was absolutely batshite chaos and pandemonium to the highest degree and stressful as hell, so again, my apologies for not considering your feelings with Plate and everything else. Lastly, oh dear Annie, I knew you wanted me dead, love. As I wanted you dead too! But it was simply because like you said, we were not connected and didn't share a tribe. I did however, enjoy our time in the Haper's Locket round. I really was loving our talks in my missive with you and Sandra, and your girls' names came up as the second divorce for the longest time, you two were to be the other divorcees, but once the Judge was awol for so long, the plan shifted. But I said in many group missives I was in with my core allies, you had been someone I was impressed with and didn't want to vote for you, because of the efforts you were making to plan and talk with me so lengthy in our chat. In closing, I appreciate you bringing this up and allowing me to explain myself. Thank you for the question and I guess the revisit to my PTSD from The Lodge! ![:<3](http://i.imgur.com/L3NpwEv.gif)
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Post by Annie as Mrs. Wimblegate on Apr 10, 2024 17:49:41 GMT 10
Diana I don't think you have something to apologise for! I really was just joyfully recounting the events of The Lodge. I felt a distance with you yes, but you can't possibly be aligned with all the actors of a play. And you've been considered an ally by almost everyone. Trumpeter of course no hard feelings for A Christmas Carol. I knew that my pool of allies was short and I understand that you had perhaps safer routes to the end. I was going to say that in the post but I omitted it in order to extract more information from you Sir David oh goodness I loved learning about your perspective. I was just taking the piss with the baby mention and the spotted dick, you didn't have to apologise. I didn't laugh at the baby but everyone has their own humour. That entire time I was laughing at myself because I found the whole Tapatalk thing to be so ridiculous. Your friendship to Scrooge I found beautiful and your behaviour makes a tonne of sense when you take that into account. I found it cringy when you were posting Survivor images when Scrooge was eliminated but I understand now, and I'm only sad that I didn't have this vision sooner! Your moments with Diana, Scrooge and Joe seemed really fun, I wish we could share some of our own but that is the Head Righter's fault. Thank you all!
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